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Helping families navigate what it looks like to build disciples at home.
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Guiding Kids Through Change With Faith And Stability
Change doesn’t ask permission—it just arrives. Holidays shift, kids hit new phases, marriages absorb pressure, and sometimes grief walks through the door uninvited. We sat down as a team to map a path through these seasons that keeps families grounded, honest, and hopeful, drawing on Scripture and lived experience to help you guide your kids with wisdom and grace.
Hello, and welcome back to the Anchor Family Ministry Podcast. We are today four dedicated staff members helping families navigate what it looks like to build disciples at home. And uh yeah, we got uh myself, Daniel, Daniel Noondorfer, great last name, Paul Allen, Jennifer Dooley, and then also James Spencer with us this morning. How are you?
SPEAKER_00:Doing great, man. I think I have a pretty good last name too. It's not as German as Noondorfer, but right, yeah, yeah. No, November's a good month, plenty going on. Love the weather changing. Love Advent. I started my Advent devotional last night. It starts like late November, but I'm not gonna do every day. So I just start a few weeks early to kind of that's smart. Yeah, get the ball rolling.
SPEAKER_01:Excellent, excellent. Yeah. So James hasn't been with us yet so far in season four, but he's with us today and glad he's here. We're gonna have some great insight talking discussions and this and the other. Jennifer, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_02:I'm okay. My throat kind of hurts today. I hear it. I hear it. I just heard it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's coming and going. So, but other than that, I'm doing great.
SPEAKER_00:Is it all that coffee you're drinking? Is that what's doing it?
SPEAKER_02:You know, if I didn't drink this coffee, there would be no talking coming out of me because I'd be asleep on this couch. No, uh, it's coffee, but it's got my pumpkin spice protein drink in it. Excellent. Because I'm all about the pumpkin spice. Although now the red cups are back at Starbucks. I'm not opposed to some peppermint flavors too. But yeah, I'm doing good. I mean, this is like the busiest season of the year, but nothing out of the ordinary busyness. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm good.
SPEAKER_04:Paul, how are you? Good, man. Everything's just the same.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Nothing to change us. Just kidding. Uh yeah, it's going great.
SPEAKER_02:Ironic for today.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's going real good. Thank you, Daniel. How are you, Daniel?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I am good as well. It's cold.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We're getting through it. Oh, we're getting through it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. It got real cold real quick. I love it. Georgia, I mean, in our area, it goes from what, like 78 degrees to 25 in a matter of a day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. Georgia does whatever it wants to do when it comes to the weather. And Paul was making a joke earlier, and that's actually what we're talking about today is change and specifically how to think biblically about change and how to help kids navigate and disciple them through change. So, I mean, James brought it up earlier. There's a Bible verse, Ecclesiastes 3 to everything. There is a season and a time to every purpose under heaven. And so the Bible informs us that things change, and there's a season for this time or this thing that's going on. And then something else comes up, and obviously naturally the weather changes, right? So change is always around us, always coming upon us. So how do we deal with that? How do we cope with that? And also how do we teach our students, our kids how to deal with it also? So, Paul, tell us a little bit more about this topic.
SPEAKER_04:Sure. Well, I mean, this will be coming out right after Thanksgiving, and Christmas will be 20-ish days away. I think this will come out early December. And so change has a huge impact on you. I was thinking, though, about Thanksgiving and Christmas, because for some people it'll be their first Christmas or Thanksgiving without a loved one, right? And so those are the kind of changes sometimes that are big and have a big impact on our family when we lose a loved one, even if they're older, and it was almost kind of expected. It is a huge change for your family. So there's big changes like that that we want to discuss, how you disciple through that, how that impacts you. Uh, we've all had lots of changes over the past couple of years. But also the more natural changes, things like just your kids getting older and aging and going from being able to thoroughly argue with you, you know, and how do you disciple through that puberty and the teen years, along with, you know, good changes. As Daniel mentioned within the Bible, there's a lot about change, but more so the changelessness of God, right? Think of that for a moment as we begin to think again more biblically bigger about change in general.
SPEAKER_00:Ecclesiastes 3, that text that Daniel kind of briefly read. A time for every season under heaven. And so just embracing that change is real. I noticed that so I've been student pastor for six years, and the thought of like having a comfort zone for young people is critical. I'll ask students like, hey, we have a new visitor over there. Why don't you go talk with them? And they don't want to. Why? Because it's out of their comfort zone. They don't want to step outside of that, which as a follower of Jesus has massive implications. You know, there's some change that we might try to fight, but just change on the whole, it's gonna happen, right? Like lean into it, don't avoid it. Yeah, be ready for it. It's going to take place and make sure that your kids know that change is gonna take place. And we should understand that it's it's not going away, and it's okay to go through change.
SPEAKER_01:Great. I loved what you said. In fact, I had a note here that says growth demands change. If you plan to grow where you want to grow, that requires change. Like the two are synonymous. I mean, even a plant, it grows, it changes, it grows new leaves. I got some plant on top of my little cabinet thing, and it looks beautiful, but it was dirty. And I cleaned up the top and all the dead leaves out the thing. And next thing you know, it's blooming all these new things and getting even longer, which is pretty cool. But I just had the thought that growth demands change. So I like the point you're bringing up. A lot of people want to stay in their comfort zone, stay where they're familiar, right? They don't want the change. But if we want change for our kids or students, then we have to push them and uh get them to be involved in their own change. Sounds kind of like pruning from John 15. Indeed.
SPEAKER_02:I think kids, younger kids, they don't even know things are changing. They are more adaptable. And there's so many ways that we hear to have a childlike faith, but in so many areas, kids just roll with it. I mean, you have some kids who don't just roll with it, I'm sure that we all can think of times in our lives or in our kids' lives that it's been a difficult change. But when it comes to going to meet a new friend or, you know, we're gonna go here instead of there, all right, let's go. You know, and a lot of it comes off of their parents' reaction. If it's something, you know, as a family or changes that are happening, like we're big on tradition for holidays, you know, as we're coming into this season. And so we're changing a location for one of our Christmas activities this year. And one of my kids was like, Whoa, that's not what we do. But the younger, I mean, he was like, All right, let's go. Like, that sounds so much fun. Let's go there. And so I think that younger kids are ready to change, that they're okay with it.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it's interesting to think about family dynamic. We were talking about this earlier, and you know, I mean, how does family start? Well, you you you you marry somebody, yeah, you know, and that's a huge change in and of itself to take a moment and recognize okay, two people, two sinners who are going to come together with Christ as a center, hopefully you're going to be able to navigate and start to build a family. So that's enough change by itself. And then a lot of times we go and have a child, which brings even more change. James just had a little girl, and their marriage has gone through a tremendous amount of change. And yet God is designing that to bring, I think, consistency and safety to those kids where they feel like, oh great, we got this tradition, and mom and dad are going to do it every year. But then if it changes, then imagine when they see you know mom and dad arguing. We talked about struggles earlier of serious change like death or disease or divorce, you know, and that's what a lot of families are dealing with or have dealt with. But just even thinking about the changes, James, let's go to you because I mean you're happily married, a couple years ago has been a lot.
SPEAKER_00:Boom. It was easier when we could uh just pick up and go to the Braves game and not worry about responsibilities. Well, easier before we had our dog also.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, I I think in the midst of understanding that change is gonna happen, just uh remembering what's consistent, you know, remembering what should not, because there's things that God has designed that should not change. I think we would agree that marriage is something that in God's initial design, marriage is not designed to change. You know, so marriage, uh union between a man and a woman. And when our kids see us, you know, it's my goal, it's Elizabeth's goal that they'll see Christ in us, that they will see something that is stable. Because in the midst of something that a world that's changing, we have to to know what doesn't change and to know what should last. And just when I think about is it pertains to change and seeing a healthy marriage, uh, having the understanding for spouses that your first priority is for the other spouse before your kids. And I think that's critical because man, kids are great, but I think there's a way in which children can be, we can make them into idols if we put their schedule, if we put them and all that they are ahead of, you know, our marriage or ahead of loving the Lord with all that we have. So the best thing that our kids can see in Elizabeth and I is that we love one another. My folks have been married for I think 37 years. Yeah, they got like 88 or 89, that's when they got married. And when I was growing up, I never, you know, I saw them disagree and I saw them like, you know, not see eye to eye on some things, but I never saw them not love each other. And I also never saw them not love Jesus. And I think about who I am now, it's like, man, I feel like so much of who I am is because I saw them always love one another and always love Jesus. So that's my goal for Johnny and Lydia is that they would see Elizabeth and I always love one another. So just having that mindset of parents, you know, you're called to love your spouse first. Your kids will see so much stability amidst the changing of life if you love your spouse with all that you have and then love Jesus more than your spouse. So those two things together.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I think everybody listening probably says, I get that. I want a rich, rich marriage. You know, growing a family or whether your kids are getting ready to leave, whatever it may be, it's like, man, how do I focus in on my marriage and build a strong marriage? And I think we would all agree it starts with you individually walking closely with the Lord and learning to be in the spirit, to walk in the spirit, to be in the word. And so those are the kind of changes I intentionally try to bring into my life on an ongoing basis. I mean, just because I'm a pastor and been doing it for a long time doesn't mean I'm growing spiritually. Each day I wake up and find more ways to delight in the Lord morning, noon, and night, and do more of that, or else I don't think I'm going to be a decent husband really. I can fake it for a couple days, but it's going to catch up with me really quick.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was one of the hardest things. I was a teacher, and then my role here changed too. But once I was planning more lessons or chapel services or things like that, that was one of the things that I remember somebody saying is like, that doesn't count. That's not your quiet time. The time that you're spending in study, I mean, you need to spend that time in study. That should be part of it. But that is not your time alone with the Lord. And so, yeah, those changes that come, maybe it's a schedule or a job. For me, it was part of my job to spend time in the Word, but that couldn't be my time alone with the Lord. So, yeah, for sure. Putting that priority first, whether you do it in the morning. And as schedules change, probably you and Elizabeth have had a lot of schedule changes. And you see that early morning is not always going to be the time to get away. Sometimes it's going to be right before you go to bed, or sometimes it's going to be any moment that you can. I had a friend, our Sunday school teacher at one point, his wife left her Bible open. It was always open on the counter. She was a homeschool mom. She had four kids who were various ages, a big span of ages. So it may not be more than five or 10 minutes that she could sit down, but that Bible was there for when she could.
SPEAKER_04:It's good. Talking about kids changing as they grow, obviously they're watching you, but then they start to listen to you more carefully. And they get smarter the older they get. They're really watching. You got eyes on you. And obviously, going to church is fantastic. That's a very important discipline for you to have as a family. But that in and of itself is not enough. Your kids need to see the consistency of your walk with Christ when it comes to the consistency needed to grow in your marriage. Because, yeah, if the enemy's going to attack anywhere and try to get between and make change, it would be husband and wife. Why not? That destroys a whole family unit and causes years and years and years of pain and trying to figure out. Obviously, if you've been through a divorce or your parents were divorced, God can work through that and does in incredible ways. But the confusion, the pain, the questions that would come from that are tough.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the difference between a healthy growth from a place of stability within a family that has a healthy marriage that's loving one another and centered on Christ can't be understated. Those kids who are growing up in that kind of environment, man, they have an opportunity. Like they just have it. I'll go back to this. Jennifer was talking about change in traditions. And I was just saying if if you have a healthy family dynamic, you embrace that change in the tradition, but then afterwards you can have loving parents who come alongside you and speak to you about it and say, Oh, well, was that that bad? And then they can learn that lesson. Okay, not all change is bad. Right. And they can move forward, or even you can do it as a single parent, but I just think it's way more powerful from a stronger family dynamic where both parents are there. Oh, children's going off to college. This is a big change. I'm worried. I'm scared. Well, we're here for you. You know what I mean? Let's talk on the weekends. You're gonna come home for the holiday. Let's talk it out. Let's figure it out together. And just having those conversations where the bedrock of it is that loving family dynamic. You can't beat it, man. It's win. Win, win, win.
SPEAKER_00:And I would say that we as people, we observe who other people are. You know, kids observe who we are. So, you know, we should do things with our kids. We should read the Bible with them. We should pray with them. And all those things are great, massively important. Uh, but a lot of the times, like when I think about my observations of other people and who I think other people are, it's not maybe something they said to me, but I'm observing something they did on their own. Yeah. So amidst change. Now they drive. That's for sure. Yeah. Pastor Dennis and I were coming home from lunch yesterday, and we were leaving Jim and X. We were taking a U-turn right there at the pavilion. Yeah. And Keith Fordham's driving behind us. And so, like, you get in the left lane and there's that kind of median, like it kind of slopes. Dennis and I come up to the light, and then Keith is behind us. He gets in the left lane and he just flips the U-turn. Like he just like over the median. Yeah, yeah. Like he's he's like, I'm skipping the light. So yeah, yeah, exactly. So if you're observing how people drive, he wanted to get home. I guess he did not want to stick to them like the pizza stole the lunch spot. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he doesn't obey the traffic. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_04:Oh goodness. Well, yeah, there's so many changes we can't control. Talking about driving, we had a bad wreck last year. That's affected us. Even like it's things you can't help. You know, my wife is like nervous when I drive, no matter what.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it all affected the county because there's now a four-way stop right here. Four-way stop.
SPEAKER_04:Thank you for that. Sorry that we did. Yeah, and so there's things that happen from the outside that we learn to depend on the Lord to help us. I think it's I'll camp out there just for a minute because I was thinking about this this morning. If you'd look maybe at the Apostle Paul's life and say, why would God let him be in prison over and over and over again if he's this great apostle who could be out speaking? And it hit me, obviously, I've thought of this before, but it hit me if he wasn't in prison, I wouldn't be reading this right now, more than likely. He was in prison so that he would have the time to write. I know he was ministering and witnessing while he was there to particular people, but that's kind of what I was thinking was there's things in my life I may not like, but they're probably slowing me down or speeding me up or moving me into an arena God wants me to be able to minister in that I would not be able to otherwise.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, I mean you think about going back to your wreck, what do you think God taught you through that process? So much. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there's real personal things too, big things that he taught us, but then real practical things, even for my family to see that mom and dad are navigating through this and it's caused some stress. But I think our kids, like you said, are observing us and watching. I'm trying to think back. There probably was one or two times when you know my kids were like, Are you and mom okay? Yeah. Oh, yeah, we're okay. They needed to hear that from me. My parents did that for me too, said, No, we're good. You know, because they get concerned. They want stability too, whether they say it or not. Another change that it's a little bit lighter, but it to me, with raising kids, this was the biggest change was the day that all of a sudden you're funny, you're fun, you're cool-ish.
SPEAKER_02:And then they don't want to be a wicked more.
SPEAKER_04:You don't know when it's gonna happen, how it's gonna happen, but all of a sudden they're like looking at you like, please leave me alone. Yeah, that's called puberty, right? And you're right in the midst of it with one or two.
SPEAKER_02:Uh we went, there was a skate night, uh, fundraiser, or you know, whatever night last week. And one of my children said, We go in and everybody's all we're good. And one of them looks at me and says, Pretend you don't know me now.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my goodness. Literally, I did not expect you to say it.
SPEAKER_02:I did not expect this one to say it. I walked away. Yeah, Tim was out of town, so I immediately text Tim and I said, I need you to help me enforce some consequences because I'm not okay with this. But but you're right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but you should have told him, like, well, we can just let's just go home. Well, let's do that. How about that?
SPEAKER_02:This one used their own money. I don't want to call this child out. This one used their own money to pay, or else I would have said out. But uh we talked about it later. It was a learning experience. But see, a lot of parents, like you've got Lydia right now, she's itty bitty.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, six weeks old.
SPEAKER_02:Needs you for everything. And some parents want to keep kids like that. They need you for everything, no matter how old they get, even with all of this. And there have been moments that I'm sad when a phase ends. And when that happened last week, I was not thrilled that we were now in a different phase. Just for the record, this child's friends asked to come meet me because I am fun. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The friends think you're cool, they just they don't live with you so they don't. She'll learn it eventually, too. She'll come back around or he quick, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Her ear 33% chance. Yeah. Any any of your kids. One of you, but I don't think it was Tegan.
SPEAKER_02:It wasn't. Tegan loves me on the phone.
SPEAKER_00:50% chance.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. No, but like I love watching my kids grow. I there is so much in each one of them, God-given gifts and personality, and just like I get so excited watching the next phase. Moving to high school should have been a scary thing. I taught high school. I know some of the things that kids begin to think. And I mean, you work with students and you see things that can go wrong, but man, I love it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Like I just get excited, and I know that's kind of weird to think. That's huge changes. I mean, from Lydia up to kids getting married and living on their own. Like it's scary. Don't get me wrong. I just get so excited about those things.
SPEAKER_04:Well, Daniel mentioned single parents earlier. And man, what you know, godly single moms or dads that are raising their kids, what an enormous task. And be praying for and ministering to those single parents in your churches for sure. Because I can't imagine doing it. I'm very grateful Mandy and I compliment each other in such a weird way where our kids were going through that phase of, oh, we don't want to talk to you anymore. I instantly put myself into their shoes because I did youth ministry for so long, where I thought, yeah, I get it. Let's just give them some space. Mandy's like, uh-uh, they're not talking to me that way. There are consequences for that behavior. I'm like, you're right. Thank you. Yeah, let's go get them. And so mom and dads get to really compliment, depending on your personality and your skills and how you were raised. That brings a lot of leveling to a time when there is crazy change in your home.
SPEAKER_00:Really, with any of these podcasts that we do, we can kind of bring it up, and I think it should be brought up just the thought of leaning into the church family more during change. Yes. If you're a single mom or dad and you don't have the help that you might need, lean into that at church because there's probably other folks that have walked the path before you. And, you know, for myself and Elizabeth where we're at right now, you know, we have friends here at Harps who are younger than us that are newly married, no kids, and then others who are a little older. And so we have like both sides of that. But church is for sure just a constant amidst changes.
SPEAKER_04:I love what James is doing here. I'll brag on him for a minute because I mean, I did again, I did youth ministry for a lot of years. I've had some great youth workers through the seasons. But a lot of times I got the younger, you know, college age workers who were more cool, easier to work with. James has done a great job of building a team of all ages, uh, but some older youth workers down here. And I won't name names, but I loved it because my daughter Macy the other day told me, oh, me and him are friends. It's awesome. Uh I'm like, wow, really? Yeah, we're close. And I'm like, that's so awesome to see those generations. But it takes time, it takes energy, and a lot of these workers, youth workers have been down here consistently for months, and those kids are observing them, watching them, kind of filling them out. And eventually they're like, Well, they're here all the time. I might as well be their friend. They must like me or whatever. And that's super cool because teen years are so change.
SPEAKER_02:I was just gonna say, again, it's that consistency with everything else changing. Sunday school teachers have been consistent.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's huge. I had this random thought probably within the last few years, but you look at somebody, say somebody who's in their 60s. When I was young, I looked at older folks and I was like, I didn't think through like at one point in their life, they were my age. Yeah. You know, it's like they haven't always been that age they are. But yeah, so we have in our youth ministry a brother who's in his 70s serving, like not on staff, just like he's here, he's active, he's invested. We have a few in their 40s, a few in their 50s.
SPEAKER_02:Um, by the way. Yes.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. Yes. That's another thing for sure as it pertains to change. And the older you get, you see folks take liberties of like, what's a young person? What's an old person?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But having a church community where you have so many different ages, there's a lot of change in that. But just the diversity, the unity of being in Christ and learning from one another.
SPEAKER_04:This past Sunday, I got to speak a little bit in a message about adoption and the credible wording of that in scripture where we are adopted by God into his family, and that idea of being heirs and co-heirs. So legacy that we get to be adopted into God's family, I think that applies to our families as well. Legacy is powerful. It's one of those words that's big, you know, legacy carries weight with it. So, yeah, as we're talking about older people in our families, grandparents, uh, grandma, grandpa, great grandma, great-grandpa, knowing what they did, knowing what they if they have a chance to speak into their kids' life right now, we I we see more impact. I see more impact by the older generation of giving them a sense of consistency through the generations and talking to them, getting to know them better, think of the times you spent with your grandparents and how that impacted you, gave you confidence that things are gonna be okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Well, it's funny to think like when you think about your grandparents or my parents and my kids now, like the changes that they have seen, but the consistency that they have kept through all of it.
SPEAKER_04:They've been through a lot more changes, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, if we just think about technology from when I was in school to now, I mean, just the things around us changing so much. But but when you think about it, yeah, it is kind of neat to see the older people and the change doesn't seem to bother them. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because they've endured, they've went through the change.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna be all right.
SPEAKER_00:Daniel kind of mentioned that yet the beginning in the midst of change. Uh the verse Hebrews 13, 8, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. So what the Christian has, that the non-Christian, the non-believer, does not have as it pertains to change, because for the non-believer, there's really no everything's kind of shifting, sifting sand. You know, so any kind of change could have massive implications on the way that you view the world. But when you're Christian, you have the understanding that, you know, God is the one true God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit existing eternally, always. God does not change. So any change that could happen stems from the fact that God doesn't change. And so that anchors us well. That any change we could have, it is a change, but it's really not as big as it could be if we didn't have the one who does not change, who is faithful, who is the same, who is steadfast. So we can trust that change will be okay in the end if we're in Christ. Now, if you're not a Christian, then change could be like if you're not a Christian and you get cancer, that change is horrible for you. And that's horrifying. And there's no hope. But if you're in Christ, God is in control. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:That's why I think change teaching our kids, talking to our kids about change is important and giving them some scriptural uh back uh, you know, grounding and and some theology about change, like we were just doing, because it's gonna come at them all the time. They're they're gonna change from you know elementary to middle school, from middle school to high school, from high school to to you know, young adulthood and beyond. And so change is gonna constantly be coming at them. They don't understand the change a lot of times they're dealing with when it comes to puberty and emotions and thoughts, and they're they're trying to figure out why they feel these feelings. So talking to them about change as a good thing for believers, uh uh because God is shaping us. And and I would say even for unbelievers, God is at work pursuing unbelievers and that change he intends for folks to be drawn to him to eventually see his offer of salvation. But for for believers, as they are changing to become more like Christ, teach our kids that there will be a day that we will be changed to be like Christ in a way we can't even imagine, and keep that hope in front of them. That, like you said, I mean, my kids hear me say it all the time. When you know how I might die or could die, I'm like, I can't, I can't wait to get there.
SPEAKER_00:They're like, Dad, come on. Like, no, I would rather depart and be with Christ, so that is far better.
SPEAKER_04:Philippians 1 23. Yeah, that change is the change I'm living for. Yes, right? To be changed, to be, yeah, to see him for a chance.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't it funny that the things that we've talked about, like we know changes are coming. We know babies are gonna grow, we know people are gonna pass away, we know all of these changes are going to happen. But the things that we've talked about being consistent are marriage, which is God's plan, and the church. Right?
SPEAKER_00:Which is marriage also. Yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:The bride of Christ. So all of these changes that happen, the consistency that we can always find throughout comes from Him.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. In Him we live and move and have our being.
SPEAKER_01:Beautiful. I looked up a verse just now because it just popped in my head. It's Psalm 61, 2. You're talking about older people. Well, here is a a fella, David, who recorded his prayers to God, right? And so we can look to scripture and see these heroes of the faith that walked out their faith, uh, persisted in the midst of many things, but it's just right here. It says, uh, friend, the end from the end of the earth I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed, lead me to the rock that is higher than I. So I just love that God Almighty is that rock, that strong tower, our shelter in the midst of a storm. He's firm. You know, when we when we're with him, we have security, you know, where our feet are planted, and therefore we can endure all changes, whether they're come from a good thing of growth or whether it's a negative thing. Just like James was talking about, he's he's faithful, he's true, he's consistent, and he never changes. And so that's a beautiful thing uh to land on. Uh I love it. Any other thoughts? Anything before we close out here? Uh I mean we started talking about change, but it's funny we talked a lot about consistency and stability, but you're both trying to understand how to deal with change. Thank you for tuning in on this episode. We really appreciate y'all. Um if you got any thoughts, insights, questions, any topics you want us to cover, we got a phone number, 629-888-3056. Again, thanks for tuning in. As always, stay anchored.
